February 2014 notice of upcoming community events

Upcoming events you may want to know about….

Saturday February 8, 2014

Morning Sun Bake Sale. Saturday February 8, 2014.   9am-1PM.  Raffles, Goodies and more.  at the Point Lookout Community Church

Morning Sun Bake Sale. Saturday February 8, 2014. 9am-1PM. Raffles, Goodies and more. at the Point Lookout Community Church

 

 

Saturday February 8, 2014

Solutions to Climate Change discussion. Saturday February 8, 2014 1PM-4PM at Long Beach Public Library

Solutions to Climate Change discussion. Saturday February 8, 2014 1PM-4PM at Long Beach Public Library. Speakers from Empower Solar, Sierra Club and more.

 

Tuesday February 11, 2014

Lido- Point Lookout Fire District 2nd Public outreach meeting on facility upgrades.  Tuesday February 11, 2014 7:30PM

Lido and Point Lookout Fire District 2nd Public outreach meeting on facility upgrades. Tuesday February 11, 2014 7:30PM

 

 

NOW February 26, 2014

 

Point Lookout, NY 11569.  not really sure about a public input meeting a few days before the final report is due..

Wednesday, February 26, 2014 – 7:00pm
Community:Lido Beach and Point Lookout
Location:Bishop Molloy Recreation Center
15 Parkside Ave Point Lookout, NY 11569. 

NY Rising – Lido/Point Lookout Public Engagement Meeting new date published as of now…

the third published date of this meeting-last was Thursday February 13, 2014- has been changed again.

a public engagement meeting delayed 2 months to a few days before the final report is due?

check back on this one, its a slippery devil.

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New Fire Commissioner Elected

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The 2013 Commissioner Vote for the Lido – Point Lookout Fire District was held on December 10, 2013.

Garnering 56% of the vote, Lido Beach resident, and fire department outsider, Greg Naham has been elected.

This seat is to replace outgoing Commissioner Tom Manning, who is also Chair of the Board of Fire Commissioners. Thank you for your service these many years to our community, Tom.

Welcome, Greg Naham.

Flyer: Save Ye Old Firehouse

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Someone pointed out these “vote no” / petition flyers and were available at the post office.

What do you think?

Has anyone called the number?

I invite both pro and con comments.

Related posts :

Fire Dept $7 mil Plans
Fire Dept Open House #2, at Lido Firehouse

Fire Dept Open House #2, at Lido Firehouse

Lido Point Lookout Fire District had their  Lido Firehouse open house on Thursday June 6, 2013

Lido Point Lookout Fire District had their Lido Firehouse open house on Thursday June 6, 2013

On Thursday evening June 6, 2013 the Lido – Point Lookout Fire District met with residents at their second open house, this time at Lido Firehouse.

Click this link for up to date information directly from;
Lido Point Lookout Fire District.

Once again Commissioner Andy Richter led the discussion. Like he had in Point Lookout two nights before, he explained to residents what the project is about how much it’s going to cost and what’s involved.

Simultaneously Chas Thompson and Jack Paz were presenting at the homeowners association at the Lido Townhouses.

Elevation Drawings of proposed New Lido Fire House by Architect Frank G Relf

Elevation Drawings of proposed New Lido Fire House by Architect Frank G Relf

The meeting was attended by about 40 residents including members of the Lido Dunes and Lido Homes Civic Associations.

You can see my previous post for most of the details:

Fire Dept $7 mil Plans

 

He spoke of the Sandy related flooding at Lido that wiped out their critical systems heat and generator etc. that they were running on space heaters through most of the winter.

He explained that this is not the original plan, developed over the last ten years; this is the evolved plan since Sandy.

The original plan was limited to:

  • no work at Lido,
  • tearing down Ye Old Firehouse,
  • put up a $4.2 million third firehouse in its place.

Economics, reassessments and then Sandy changed all that.

The new plan is “spreading the 7 million over 3 properties- that was a number similar to the original plan for 2 properties”.  The new plan downsizes the new building at Ye Olde Firehouse, to basically records storage, offices that will no longer exist inside the new main headquarters firehouse if the ambulance is going to fit there, and a conference room/command center for emergencies, with all savings now going into Lido Firehouse expansion and renovation.

Additionally, he defended the shower rooms and upgraded restrooms at HQ, that took some flack from Point Lookout residents saying: “frankly, its disgraceful when our young people respond to medical emergencies or are crawling in god knows what, and we ask them to take whatever bodily fluids they get on them or whatever else they deal with home to their family to shower at home” after a call.  He also explained the “bunk rooms” are flexible-designed to be used for other purposes at any given time. 

In further reference to efforts to defeat the measure and save Ye Olde Firehouse, Andy sternly told the crowd: “I don’t need anyone telling me about fond memories at Ye Olde Firehouse.
I was there. They weren’t.”

He also told the group: “I will answer any questions. Find me at the firehouse, I will tell you fact. ”

After the presentation questions were taken.

First, Lido Dunes Civic member Addi Quinn said “(helping residents during the aftermath of superstorm Sandy) You made it very clear it was Point Lookout AND Lido, not just Point Lookout”.  She went on to add, “I care more about this firehouse than where I am going to have a christening.”

Lido Dunes Civic Association Vice President Mike Fichtelman said, “We appreciate all the hard work. My opinion is this is not alot of money.
They are spending $50 million next door (Long Beach Boardwalk etc) so people can ride bicycles. This is about life and death and about people getting up at 2am to save our lives. This is not alot of money. ”

Greg Nahan, from Lido Homes Civic said “I wanted to do something to help. The Fire Dept needs to be attracting the younger generation.

“We do have our functions here,” he said of the spartan room we were in. “It would be helpful to the team you have here, can this room be upgraded to be more than it is?”

Andy said some small work is already planned for the sparse room, it was open for discussion, but the funds would have to come from somewhere.

Point Lookout Chamber of Commerce leader Richard Zampella spoke of the fact that people on fixed incomes and the younger generation are finding it hard to afford to live here.  He alluded to dwindling membership from younger people in town.

Andy said the younger generation needs to step up and become more involved in the fire department. Their membership is needed.

A little later some of the younger members of the District arrived and were introduced as the next generation of  the Department, to the applause of the crowd.

Sean Gibson, Josh Littlefield and Harrison Weitz, the "Next Generation" of Volunteers from Point Lookout - Lido Fire

Sean Gibson, Josh Littlefield and Harrison Weitz, the “Next Generation” of Volunteers from Point Lookout – Lido Fire Department

Another resident asked how come a bond, and not a grant from FEMA was needed. It was explained, after some chuckles, the department has tried for federal grant money before and only an incredibly small number of firehouses get money nationwide from FEMA. We were knocked out in the first round. He did say over recent years, they had applied for numerous grants and had received over $700,000 in grants that paid for most of the pumper truck and other things.

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It was asked what would happen if they did end up getting money from Sandy etc. They said rather than lowering the amount you would pay annually, any amounts received, once paid, would retire the bonds sooner.

Lido Dunes Civic Association's Mike Fichtelman spoke :"This is not alot of money"

Lido Dunes Civic Association’s Mike Fichtelman spoke :”This is not alot of money”

Commissioner Richter said “We were going to save it (asking for a bond issue rather than general fund and grants covering expenses) for when we really needed it.  Now we believe we really need it and we need your support.
“The ultimate answer rests with you coming out and voting that this is a worthwhile endeavor”.

Fire Dept $7 mil Plans

Architect Frank G Relf's representation of the new buildings

Architect Frank G Relf’s representation of the new Point Lookout Fire Department buildings

Tuesday night, June 4, 2013 at Point Lookout Fire house Fire Commissioner Andy Richter presented plans for the Lido – Point Lookout Fire District’s 7 million dollar renovation and expansion plan to about 100 residents.

Click the following links to find the following drawings and representations of the project

PL Firehouse front elevation

PL Firehouse and Command Center street civil plan

PL Firehouse Proposed second floor plan view

Command Center elevation view

In a future post I will do what I can to get the line-item estimates posted.

As basic general info
$7 million bond
23 years length
40+ years expected lifespan.

$9.19 per month if your house is market valued at 400,000, or

13.79 per month if 600,000.
This translates to
$2.30 per month per $100,000 Nassau County has the “market value” of your property.
 

Andy Richter speaks about the Fire Departments Needs and reasons for the money to be raised.

Andy Richter speaks about the Fire Departments Needs and reasons for the money to be raised.

Commissioner Andy Richter addressed residents, “This is what we have to do as a board of Fire Commissioners… report to the community we need infrastructure.”

He explained besides being completely outdated and having mechanical issues, equipment issues, and structural or usage issues at all the 40-80 year old properties that need to be addressed,

  • Lido firehouse was heavily damaged in Sandy. Besides the repairs there would be storm mitigation to raise the height to avoid future flooding. The 10 foot high doors are not big enough to accommodate modern fire engines etc.

  • Ye Olde Firehouse has “exceeded its expected lifespan”. It would cost $1.5 million to rebuild and $3.5 million to bring it up to code for a building that would “serve no useful function to the fire department’s business”.

  • The Point Lookout Firehouse would have a fourth truck bay added and full second-story added that would become the new 1300 sf (175 persons) conference room / community center for voting etc. that Ye Olde Firehouse was serving plus other usable space.

The fire department noted that they investigated numerous different ways to go about handling this including buying different properties moving to different properties etc. and this was the best plan they can come up with.

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A general feeling I got, based on numerous questions from the audience, was they felt they should have had some input to come up with the best plan before going to a vote.

Chris McGrath said the plan seems “like a Cadillac”. Residents complained they hadn’t heard about this and had a general feeling that it was being sprung on everybody with only one month to decide. I know it was briefly discussed at the March Point Lookout Civic Association meeting. The May General meeting was cancelled and has not been rescheduled.

It was noted by Don Kelly that he’s usually the guy that upsets everyone and he felt the fire department may have misplaced their community outreach by going to the community and civic groups and expecting them to get the word out.  

Aerial View of Hewlett Ave at Lido Blvd by Frank G Relf, Architect

Aerial View of Hewlett Ave at Lido Blvd by Frank G Relf, Architect

I should have been alerted to potential controversy when the Point Lookout Civic Association sent out an email last week, taking no sides and telling everybody to have their day and vote.

I didn’t know there was a group forming to fight this.

No surprise, the controversy surrounds Ye Olde Firehouse / new command center.

I’m guessing people don’t really see the need for another building?
That’s where alot of the questions were going.

Based on what was said it is getting wrapped up in people having an emotional reaction and attachment to this building as well.

During the Q and A, a little face off happened when Richard Zampella, owner of Skipperdees Ice Cream Shop, and head of the Chamber of Commerce rose to address the crowd.

He initially was not given the mic because he didn’t have a question and rather wanted to make a statement.
After a little cajoling from the crowd he got to make his statement. He spoke about Ye Olde Firehouse. He says he has 400 people signed up against the plan.

He says Ye Olde Firehouse is historic.

We met soft spoken Architect Frank G Relf, who said that the building is not been marked as historical on any official historical societies or ledgers in any way. He said saying it is “historic” was stating opinion, not fact. The fact is that it is not “historical”.

On the other hand some people are genuinely concerned about the 7 million turning into 10 or 12 or more. Andy Richter said that was not possible. “Its a one shot deal”

He turned the microphone back to Architect Frank G Relf. He explained how that’s not possible in that it will be his responsibility, if the bids come in too high, to redesign the costs down. It will be his responsibility to figure out how to make that happen within the set budget. The budget contains 7% contingency which back of my hand figures roll at about $500,000 “just in case”.

Anthony Fucignas asked what was to happen to the fire police who now take up residence in the building at Ye Olde Firehouse. Andy Richter said they will be at the new main house as will the historical society.

about 100 residents gathered at Point Lookout Firehouse for the presentation

about 100 residents gathered at Point Lookout Firehouse for the presentation

Andy Richter spoke of the legacy of the current administration(s) plan and said “We know its a viable plan that will serve the community for a long time- long after we’re gone…. We need to move forward to prepare community for the future”.

This is a straight up and down vote. There is no backup or contingency plan. A failed vote / re vote plan would be based on how bad it lost and the sticking points involved.

People stated they wanted to continue the discussion and asked how they could.

Tonight, Thursday June 6, 2013 is the presentation to Lido residents at Lido Firehouse.

I’m going to bet alot will be said over the next few weeks about it. 

What do you think?
You can post your comments below.